Legislature(1997 - 1998)

02/04/1998 09:00 AM Senate HES

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                 SCR 19 - PROTOTYPE SCHOOL DESIGN                              
SENATOR LEMAN moved to adopt CSSCR 19(HES), version B, as the                  
working document of the committee.  There being no objection, the              
motion carried.                                                                
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN explained the changes made in the committee                    
substitute as follows.                                                         
     -On page 1, line 6, the word "critical" was changed to                    
     "crucial," and lines 14 and 15 contain some style changes for             
     names.                                                                    
     -On page 2, lines 1 through 6 contain suggestions submitted by            
     Mr. Mackler, and line 7 addresses subarctic and arctic                    
     environments.                                                             
     -On page 2, lines 13 through 16 specify that the resolution is            
     limited to K-6 schools and requires that engineering and                  
     design professionals who reside within the State are consulted            
     on the prototype designs.                                                 
     -On line 19, language was added to require that the Bond                  
     Reimbursement and Grant Review Committee be consulted, and                
     language on lines 23 through 26 allows for the use of                     
     prototype components in designs when complete prototype                   
     designs are unsuitable.                                                   
                                                                               
SENATOR LEMAN stated he would prefer the resolve clause, on page 2,            
lines 13 - 17, to request the Governor to direct the Department of             
Education (DOE) to evaluate the advisability of the use of                     
prototype school designs, because DOE has concluded, from past                 
experience, that a statewide application may be inappropriate.  He             
believed it is totally appropriate for individual school districts             
to develop prototype designs for their own use.  He suggested the              
following language changes:                                                    
     - on line 15, insert the word "architecture" before "design               
     professionals;                                                            
     - on line 16, change "climate and conditions" to "climatic                
     conditions".                                                              
                                                                               
Number 140                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS said he supports the last change suggested by Senator            
Leman because that language covers a concern raised in previous                
testimony about seismic conditions.  He questioned whether other               
types of design professionals will be excluded if the term                     
"engineering and architect design professionals" is used.  SENATOR             
LEMAN said he was not aware of any, but asked participants to let              
him know.                                                                      
                                                                               
MIKE MORGAN, Facilities Manager for DOE, thought Senator Leman's               
language covers the full spectrum of engineering and architectural             
services.  SENATOR LEMAN said specialties, such as corrosion and               
acoustics, would be covered within that language.                              
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS suggested using the phrase "statewide association of             
design professionals" instead to guarantee that DOE gets a wider               
geographical perspective.  Otherwise, DOE could meet the                       
requirement by consulting with one engineer and one architect.                 
SENATOR ELLIS also questioned why the resolution specifies that                
prototypical designs be developed for K-6 schools only.                        
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN answered that junior highs and high schools are                
programmatically much more difficult to build and much more                    
demanding.  Most elementary schools offer the same core programs.              
If this effort is successful, it can be expanded to junior and high            
schools.                                                                       
                                                                               
MR. MORGAN agreed that K-6 school programs are more uniform and                
explained there is no state or national definition of the middle               
school format.  Grades can range from 5-7, 6-8, or 7-9.  As the                
grade levels change, program needs change.  At the high school                 
level, programs are structured in a variety of ways, which affects             
designs.  One factor that made the Fairbanks prototype design a                
success is that the school district applied a uniform educational              
specification to all of the schools.                                           
                                                                               
Number 207                                                                     
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS questioned whether the phrase "core school functions"            
is in the committee substitute.  SHEILA PETERSON, committee aide,              
answered that phrase was replaced by K-6.                                      
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS asked Senator Leman his opinion on whether to go with            
his original suggestion or to include the phrase "association of               
design professionals."  SENATOR LEMAN said it did not make a                   
difference to him; his intent was to incorporate the community of              
architects and engineers involved in the consultation, when design             
information is solicited.                                                      
                                                                               
MR. MORGAN said DOE would want to gather a full range of input on              
this subject, not just information from one or two professionals.              
DOE would need input from design professionals in at least the                 
three major areas of the State: Southeast, Anchorage, and                      
Fairbanks, where there are concentrations of those professionals.              
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN asked if anyone would be excluded if the resolution            
references the statewide association.  SENATOR LEMAN said he did               
not think so.  The American Society of Civil Engineers has a                   
statewide association which is broken down into different regions.             
He assumed DOE would consult by region.                                        
                                                                               
CHAIRMAN WILKEN said that concept would be developed and                       
incorporated into a new committee substitute.                                  
                                                                               
SENATOR ELLIS noted his suggested language would be "for grades K-6            
in consultation with statewide associations for engineering and                
architecture design professionals."  CHAIRMAN WILKEN asked if                  
Senator Ellis was making a motion.  SENATOR ELLIS said not                     
necessarily, but requested the committee mull it over.  CHAIRMAN               
WILKEN asked if there was any objection from the committee to                  
Senator Ellis' suggested language.  MR. MORGAN asked if that                   
language would limit consultations to associations and prevent                 
direct queries to firms.  He assumed DOE would want to do both.                
SENATOR LEMAN agreed with Mr. Morgan's concern.  CHAIRMAN WILKEN               
said that language will be cleaned up and incorporated into a new              
committee substitute.                                                          
                                                                               
SENATOR GREEN thought the phrase "who reside in the State" might               
have unintended consequences if a firm, operating in the State of              
Alaska, had an employee residing outside of the State.  She felt               
the goal is to find a person who resides in the State and is                   
familiar with local conditions.  CHAIRMAN WILKEN said that will be             
taken into consideration in the new committee substitute.                      
                                                                               
MR. MORGAN said he had no further testimony and that DOE supports              
the bill.                                                                      

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